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| Flat Earth is what happens when you combine at least 8 years of religious homeschool indoctrination along with daily doses of Prozac combined with blunt force trauma to the head. It takes a life deprived of experiencing the perspective of 100 ft elevation, deprived of being taught basic geometry, deprived of simple answers to simple questions in order to believe this bucket of lies brought about by scripture and people whom are dumber than a bag of hammers. Dumber than Congress. Dumber than [[G Man|G Man's]] shit. Even relying on framework as bankrupt as [http://great-debate-community.wikia.com/wiki/Governmental_Epistemology governmental epistemology] would not justify one's belief in this concept. Should you encounter Mr. Turtle that hold the purported flat Earth on his shell, please tell him for us that. | | Flat Earth is what happens when you combine at least 8 years of religious homeschool indoctrination along with daily doses of Prozac combined with blunt force trauma to the head. It takes a life deprived of experiencing the perspective of 100 ft elevation, deprived of being taught basic geometry, deprived of simple answers to simple questions in order to believe this bucket of lies brought about by scripture and people whom are dumber than a bag of hammers. Dumber than Congress. Dumber than [[G Man|G Man's]] shit. Even relying on framework as bankrupt as [http://great-debate-community.wikia.com/wiki/Governmental_Epistemology governmental epistemology] would not justify one's belief in this concept. Should you encounter Mr. Turtle that hold the purported flat Earth on his shell, please tell him for us that. |
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| | <span>The flat Earth is a crappy idea about the shape of the Earth, which cannot account for many observations that you can easily make if you have some spare time and a camera. Also, flat Earth has no cohesive or agreed-upon model, making it nearly impossible to test. This isn't helped by the fact that flat Earthers are the campions of </span>''post-hoc''<span> explanations, inventing new terms or assigning new meaning and properties to existing terms so that someones test or observation doesn't </span>'''''REALLY'''''<span> disprove a flat Earth (see </span>[[Betty Van Velsen]]<span>).</span> |
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| == Connections to other Forms of Pseudoscience == | | == Connections to other Forms of Pseudoscience == |
| Acceptance of the flat Earth generally comes with Biblical literalism, geocentrism, young-Earth creationism, and an acceptance of many other conspiracy theories such as the faking of the moon landing and most massacres, 9/11, all of science in general, and even ancient aliens. | | Acceptance of the flat Earth generally comes with Biblical literalism, geocentrism, young-Earth creationism, and an acceptance of many other conspiracy theories such as the faking of the moon landing and most massacres, 9/11, all of science in general, and even ancient aliens. |
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| == Similarity of Flat Earth to Evolution (ToE) ==
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| # '''''The Basis.''''' The Theory of Evolution (ToE) starts its explanation in biology, as basis, after life had begun (either biogenesis or abiogenesis). The explanation will literally start when this life had produced an "evolvable" amount of individuals that could be categorized as "population" - since in ToE, population evolves, and not cell or individual. ToE also limited itself or silent (no explanations) in the following topics in reality: ''process, intelligence, reality, cause and effect, origins, and life.'' ToE had limited its explanation to the changes of species to the point of speciation (origin of species). Whereas, Flat Earth could limit itself too, as basis in science, by using a 2km x 2 km, flat surface in every cities on Earth (for example). By using this limited small space or area as compared to the whole area of the whole Earth, Flat Earth could explain also many features in that area, either one topic or few topics. Flat Earth could also limit itself to the reality, pictures of whole Earth from space, satellites locations, and many evidences that contrary to Flat Earth (from the point of vies of Round Earth). Besides, Flat Earth deals only with a very limited area of the whole surface of the Earth, say, 2 km x 2 km. Thus, both ToE and Flat Earth has the same basis: limited explanation of reality and those supporters called it "the reality"
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| # '''''The Explanation.''''' When the Theory of Evolution (ToE) explains the whole biological world, ToE explains only the "changes", and the rest are not part of ToE or ToE has no explanations, thus, limited scope or limited perspective. By limiting reality in biology with one topic , that is, the topic of "change", ToE could focus itself to connect to all branches of science that also deals with limited explanation of reality - and called it "science". Flat Earth is also science since anyone can explain any phenomena as located and observed on the 4 km square surface of the Earth, in every cities, for example. Flat Earthers may say that they could explain that in the world or "science" of Flat Earth, they could observe green tress, high rise buildings, cars, people, etc, as part of reality, therefore, Flat Earth is true.
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| # The Predictions. In real naturalistic science, any scientific explanation must have always a good prediction. For example, if a scientist will mix Sodium, (Na) to Chloride (Cl) , the result is NaCl, or salt. Thus, it is predicted that whenever any person will mix Na to Cl, the result will always be NaCl and if any person will separate Na to NaCl, the predicted result is that Cl will be left - thus, this phenomenon in reality is science. And repeatable. But, both ToE and Flat Earth could also make predictions in their own reality but in limited scope of reality. Limited scope or partial scope of reality and whole scope of reality are two different things. Limited scope of reality could lead to erroneous explanations that will lead to erroneous interpretations of reality. In Flat Earth, Flat Earthers could make the following predictions: If Flat Earth is true, I can see people walking in the street. Or, If Flat Earth is true, I can throw a stone.
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| # '''''The Arguments.''''' In ToE, whenever any person or scientist will ask ToE to a more general and broader of scope of reality (for example, the origin of life or intelligence), the usual arguments of ToE are: "You don't know ToE" or "ToE has nothing to do with that topic". Flat Earth has the same argument. If proponents of Round Earth will ask Flat Earthers to broaden its scope of reality (like the picture of the whole Earth in the outer space, from ''NASA''), the usual logical response are: "You don't know Flat Earth" or "Flat Earth has nothing to do with that topic".
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| # '''''Flat Earth is Science.''''' If all of us will accept the assumption that Flat Earth had based its explanation in reality with this area, 2km x 2km, in every flat surfaces, in every cities around the world/Earth, then, Flat Earth is science and the new <id> supports Flat Earth by using that basis. We have no choice. - ''from [[MrIntelligentDesign]]''
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| '''''NOTE:''''' Don't delete or don't censor this. This is a free GREAT DEBATE COMMUNITY WIKI and we need to know the other side of story. We are not living in a Communist country, thus, censorship is not applicable here since the contents are not sexual topics. If you want to add your correction or clarification or discuss this topic (THE DISSIMILARITY of FLAT EARTH and EVOLUTION) , please, write them below.
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| '''''Extra NOTE to Edgar:''' ''We are all living in different countries, none of them are communistic (I assume), however the wiki isn't a platform where idiots can write whatever shit they fucking want, nor is this a debate forum. Whenever an editor sees blatant falsehoods written on a page that is meant to give useful info about that subject, they have the full right to delete it. We collectively want the wiki to be a descent source of information and you are willfully and/or obtusely fighting against that goal. I can also point out that <u>you have been granted full permission to edit your own page in whatever way you like</u>. A rare exception from our collective goal. If you wrote this "similarity between evolution and flat earth" nonsense on your own page, no one would delete it. That is the very opposite of censorship. '''<u>So, here is the deal. If you don't move this paragraph to your own page in 24 hours, you will face the likelihood of being banned temporarily thereby losing your privilege to edit your own page.</u>''' You have been given [http://great-debate-community.wikia.com/wiki/Evolution#Extras this warning] before when you wrote on the "evolution" page. Learn from your experience, don't repeat your mistakes.
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| == NESSLIG’S Criteria Of Posting/Commenting ==
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| <blockquote>Edgar is being dishonest here. He wants to dismiss the objections that I raised as the mere opinion of mine, but these are not just "MY" rules, these were laid out [http://great-debate-community.wikia.com/wiki/GDC_Wiki_Rules by the creators of the wiki page]. </blockquote>1. Censorship. He believed that we
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| are not living in a Communist country like China and yet he censored any comments/posts
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| that he did not like and he could not rebut. He said “…none of them are
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| communistic…”<blockquote>Wrong, I never censored you! I delete things that don't belong on the page and are totally inaccurate, which is what you always do. This is why YOU have your own page do edit, so you don't have to put your stupid comments all over the wiki. </blockquote>2. Idiotic Criteria. He did not
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| define the word “idiot” but in science, an idiot is a person who claims
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| something but could never show it. That is an idiot. ToE and Flat Earth are an
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| idiotic theory/explanation since they could not explain reality, but Nesslig
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| will label any explanation that will violate evolution. He wrote “…where idiots
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| can write whatever shit they fucking want…”<blockquote>An idiot is is a person perceived to be lacking intelligence, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way (according to wikipedia). That is what you are doing by putting all of this crap here, while you can do it on your own page and no one will bother you with that. Even by your own definition, you are an idiot since you cannot show that any of your claims are true. Evolution on the other hand is shown to occur in reality (since alleles change in frequencies within populations all the time), but you probably don't even know what evolution is. </blockquote>3. No-Debate Forum. He adheres to the
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| criterion of “No-Debate” policy but he will surely engage you in a debate by
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| giving his own rebuttal. <blockquote>This is merely temporary. As soon as any admins get notified by this, all of this will be deleted. </blockquote>He said that “…nor is this a debate forum..”. He
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| indirectly challenged MrIntelligentDesign (Edgar) in the topics of evolution and
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| Flat Earth but Nesslig is not willing to answer directly all of the questions
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| that are being thrown at him. Thus, he did not like debate but he will start it
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| indirectly. Beware.<blockquote>Yes, this is NOT A DEBATE FORUM, that is one reason why I won't indulge in answering your stupid questions. I am letting you know, very clearly, that what you are doing goes against the rules of this wiki. </blockquote>4. Blatant Falsehoods. Nesslig
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| believed that his posts/comments are not blatant falsehoods because he said so,
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| a typical bully who exerts his effort to bully any person that he could never
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| rebut. He said “…blatant falsehoods written on a page..”. In science, any topics
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| like Evolution and Flat earth are blatant falsehoods since they could never explain
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| reality as in a broader/whole perspective. <blockquote>I actually wrote something below that is under "<span>THE DISSIMILARITY of FLAT EARTH and EVOLUTION (ToE)" that shows how full of shit you are. </span></blockquote>5. Descent Source Of Info. Nesslig
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| believed that by censoring any topics that he could never rebut is one example
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| of giving any readers a descent source of information. He will not let the
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| other side to be read or be posted, thus, a bias info is descent info. He said
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| that ”… the wiki to be a descent source of information…” And if you show to
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| Nesslig the other side of the story, he will bully you like this: “…you are
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| willfully and/or obtusely fighting against that goal..” Beware.<blockquote>Again, I am not censoring you. You are allowed to write anything on your own page. You are not allowed to write anything you like on any other page, unless they are deemed appropriate. What you are doing here is far from appropriate. </blockquote>6. Jealousy Policy. Nesslig is
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| very jealous to MrIntellgentDesign (Edgar) for the latter has been sharing his
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| initial input to his own profile to help the editors and posters glimpse the
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| idea of the new Intelligent Design <id>. <blockquote>Oh silly Edgar, you only wish that I were Jealous of you. I am far from jealous. It may come a shock at you, but the only reason why YOU have been granted the privilege to edit your own page (unrestrictedly) is because people people find your amazing crap hilarious. That is why you have been given so much attention and that is why I am not jealous. I pity you. </blockquote>But Nesslig did not understand that
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| Edgar is a more than a scientist since he discovered the real “intelligence” and
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| he has authored 6 science books <blockquote>FYI, not science books. Just deplorable books that he published on amazon, with overwhelmingly negative reviews. </blockquote>and yet Nesslig has none to offer. <blockquote>Don't need to. I am still in college. Maybe I will work in science or I won't, doesn't matter. I can still cite actual science to prove your ass wrong. </blockquote>Nesslig
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| wanted to equate himself to Edgar but it is impossible. <blockquote>LMFAO, HALF TRUE! I don't want to equate myself with you for EVERY REASON YOU CAN IMAGINE. And If I were to equate myself with you, it would be impossible, because I cannot stoop to your level, even if I wanted to. </blockquote>Nesslig said
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| emotionally, “…you have been granted full permission to edit your own page in
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| whatever way you like. A rare exception from our collective goal.” <blockquote>Emotionally? How do you know? How can you tell from only reading what I wrote. It is amazing how much shit you can spout that have no basis for it. </blockquote>7. Deal With It. Nesslig will challenge
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| you to deal with him if he knew that he could never rebut your science or if he
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| felt that he has no chance of winning a debate to a real scientist. <blockquote>You are not a real scientist, nor do you have any science. </blockquote>He said “…here
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| is the deal…” Now, you must face a bully or submit to a bully. To him, that is called
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| “…collective goal…” Deal With It or Be banned! <blockquote>Correction, temporally banned - a warning you were given before, by someone else. </blockquote>8. 24 hours. Nesslig will give you
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| 24 hours (or billions years, I don’t know) to comply with his bullying for he
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| cannot rebut the opposing sides. He said that “…in 24 hours…”<blockquote>I already rebut your "side", and I have given you clear reasons for what you are doing isn't allowed here. </blockquote>9. Ban Policy! Nesslig will ban
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| you if you post any science that he cannot rebut. He will ban you if you defeat
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| him in a debate that he initiated and started. He never called it censorship
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| but he is doing a censorship. He said
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| that “…you will face the likelihood of being banned temporarily…”<blockquote>Now you are merely repeating yourself. </blockquote>10. Warning Policy! Nesslig will surely warn you not debate with him
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| when he initiated and started a debate in science. He will warn you not post
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| real science and real explanation of reality especially the topics that he had
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| no clue about like “intelligence”. He said that “…You have been given this
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| warning…”<blockquote>You have been given a warning before, by others, not just me. You should learn from your mistakes, but apparently you are to stupid to do even that simple thing. </blockquote>Nesslig, MrIntellgentDesign (Edgar) had six
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| science books, had the best science, had the best model, and had the best explanation, thus, Edgar is giving you his profile in GDC Wiki. <blockquote>It is curious that you are putting everything in "had" instead of "has", implying you no longer have any of this stuff you claim you "had". Not surprising, but I don't think you EVER had what you claim you had. And yes I am fully aware of your profile on the wiki. </blockquote>You can ban MrIntelligentDesign anytime you like, besides, real scientist, like Galileo was really banned and
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| house-imprisoned for his science! <blockquote>Don't equate yourself with Galileo, he was put in prison for what he claimed. At worst, you will be banned from editing certain pages on this wiki. If you think these things are comparable by any stretch, you are a moron (although pointing that out is getting quite old). Now I will let an admin know about this and I expect it will be soon deleted. You can still put all of this onto your own page Edgar, so it doesn't count as censorship thus you cannot pretend to be the victim of scientific persecution like Galileo was. </blockquote>
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| Holy shit Edgar, you are really getting on my nerves, now. This wiki is meant to be a guide and hub of information for people to learn about the GDC, it's members, moments, terms, etc. It is not a place where you can pontificate for paragraphs upon paragraphs on whatever page for however long, especially when that information is largely incorrect, unfounded, pure nonsense, or all of the above. If there is demonstrably incorrect information on a page, anyone has every right to remove it.
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| This is not about censorship or bullying or rebutting. This is entirely about the propagation of correct information. What you have written here, on the evolution page, etc. are neither correct nor make sense logically (or at the very least, you haven't supported any of it). If you want to have that sort of thing on your own page, that's perfectly fine and no one will stop you. That's what it's fucking for, you dense fuck. If you want to contest this, FINE, BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT!
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| Read my virtual lips Mr. ''"I wrote ''<nowiki/>'science''' books"'': '''<u>THIS WIKI IS NOT A DEBATE FORUM</u>!'''
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| Furthermore, neither this nor your back-and-forth on evolution are '''''"debates"'''''. Stop calling them that. It's stupid and has no basis. Not every conversation with disagreement (in person, on the internet, or in text) is a debate.
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| == HOLY COW! Lol! ==
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| # I knew that this wiki is meant to guide and hub info but what is wrong with a different side of story, in where the other party uses a different basis (intelligence) especially when that basis is not being touched by the other party? Holy Cow! Lol!
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| (from: ”...''This wiki is meant to be a guide and hub of information''…”)
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| # How do you know that my info, especially in science in where “intelligence” is being used, is wrong? How do you know? You don’t even have no clue on the topic of “intelligence”! That is why we need to see the other side of reality! Holy Cow! Lol! (from: “…''when that information is largely incorrect, unfounded, pure nonsense, or all of the above.”'')
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| # It is correct to remove any topic if the topic is sexually abusive or out of topic but when I used “intelligence” as my basis and you have no clue on the topic, then, why you must remove them, especially in science? Would it be better to study the topic first before removing it? Censoring a topic that you have no clue is bullying. And bullying is not a descent job of a professional editor. Holy Cow! Lol! (from: “…''If there is demonstrably incorrect information on a page, anyone has every right to remove it.''”)
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| # If you don’t know the topic, especially “intelligence” and you edit it, then, that is either stupidity or bullying. How can you edit a topic that you don’t know or have no clue of? Holy Cow! Lol!
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| (from: “…''This is not about censorship or bullying or rebutting…''”)
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| # My post in the topic of evolution and flat earth are all scientifically sound and correct since they use different basis, i.e., '''''intelligence'''''. Evolution (ToE) uses '''''non-intelligence (dumb)''''', thus, two different models with different view/perspective of reality. ToE is limited (therefore, wrong, like Flat Earth) and mine (BiTs) is right since BiTs encompasses almost all aspects of topics in reality and in biology (like Round Earth). The basis is well supported, but you don’t it! Holy Cow! Lol!
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| (from: ''“…What you have written here, on the evolution page, etc. are neither correct nor make sense logically (or at the very least, you haven't supported any of it)''.”
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| # I shared free info in my set Profile to help editors edit my page on the topic that they would like to add/edit since they had no clue. Thus, although I don’t like it, I shared. But in the topics of science, since I am the discoverer of ''intelligence'' in which it is ruling existence, I had to post the right science. Right science will lead to right explanation of reality and will lead to descent source of info, not the limited info of ToE. Holy Cow! Lol!
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| (from: “…''If you want to have that sort of thing on your own page, that's perfectly fine and no one will stop you.)''
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| # A debate is a back-and-forth of info and if you are editor, you will only edit the topics that you knew and well-versed of. But since you had no clue on the topic of '''''intelligence''''' (my basis), then, why you are correcting/editing my science posts? How can an uneducated, illiterate, unknowledgeable and stupid editor about “intelligence” could edit the topic that is posted in where the basis is “intelligence”? Is that not censorship or bullying? Holy Cow! Lol!
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| (from: “…''neither this nor your back-and-forth on evolution are "debates". Stop calling them that. It's stupid and has no basis. Not every conversation with disagreement (in person, on the internet, or in text) is a debate.''”)
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| == THE DISSIMILARITY of FLAT EARTH and EVOLUTION (ToE) ==
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| EVERYTHING.
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| Evolution is a change in allele frequency within a population over generations. The theory of evolution explains how and why this process occurs.
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| The flat Earth is a crappy idea about the shape of the Earth, which cannot account for many observations that you can easily make if you have some spare time and a camera. Also, flat Earth has no cohesive or agreed-upon model, making it nearly impossible to test. This isn't helped by the fact that flat Earthers are the campions of ''post-hoc'' explanations, inventing new terms or assigning new meaning and properties to existing terms so that someones test or observation doesn't '''''REALLY''''' disprove a flat Earth (see [[Betty Van Velsen]]).
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| They also typically use certain buzz-words they don't understand to describe terms and effects they don't understand like: perspective, the atmosphere, refraction, lensing, gravity, and more.
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| See, NO SIMILARITY WHATSO-FUCKING-EVER! You're a moron, Edgar.
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